Delores is survived In late 1987, Clark answered an ad from a Virginia employment agency that set up interviews with a Richmond accounting firm. Zealotry is a pejorative term: zealots, as fanatics, are necessarily bad. John List was born John Emil List, on September 17, 1925, in Bay City, Michigan, to John Frederick List and Alma Barbara Florence List. As of 2018, Peggy, Dolores, and Connie are still alive. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. I just discovered this blog, and as a fellow Forensic Files fan, this intrigues me! Afterwards, he dragged his wifes body to the ballroom and made himself lunch and ate it. He even had turned the thermostat down to 50 degrees to preserve the bodies.. "I remember talking about funerals and cremation and burials. He worried that she and the rest of the family wouldnt get into heaven. List left a confession letter at the scene, so police had little doubt as to who was responsible for the killings. Worse still was that List, an avid churchgoer, was not immediately caught. His picture was also shown on television, which led one of his neighbours to notify the authorities. They'll either have forgiven me or won't realize, you know, what happened," List told Downtown's Connie Chung in an interview at the New Jersey State Prison in Trenton, where he is serving five life sentences. He insinuated that it had been a bad experience.''. I once asked Bob how he happened to choose us, and he said it was because we were on the bus line, West recalled. And I picked up a typewriter, and Bobby saw me. 2023 NYP Holdings, Inc. 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'', At a news conference yesterday in Richmond, Mrs. Clark said that her husband had told her, too, that his former wife ''was a very sick, sickly lady.'' John Emil List was born 63 years ago in Bay City, Mich., the son of a wealthy German immigrant grocer who had married, for the second time, late in life. Bob didnt have a car at the time so I helped him move out of the trailer park into an apartment a few blocks east of the motel, he said. TimesMachine is an exclusive benefit for home delivery and digital subscribers. Delores called me on this past Mothers Day, Flanery said. Investigators found that List, then a 45-year-old accountant with an annual salary of $12,000, had two mortgages on the house, totaling $40,000. The couple had three children together, while Helens daughter Brenda left home in 1960 after her marriage. In late 1987 Mr. Clark responded to an advertisment placed in a local newspaper by a Virginia empoyment agency. He joined the Army in World War II and later attended the University of Michigan. He was a devout Lutheran layman and his fingerprints matched those of the fugitive John E. List. In the years after the methodical murders of his wife, mother and three children in New Jersey, John Emil List painstakingly created a new identity for himself in the foothills of the Rocky Mountains. WebOK, I am seeing: Delores Clark (Miller), married 1985- I was thinking of editing in "2008 (his death)" but don't know if I'd be getting into privacy issues. He was born as the only child in the highly religious German-American household. ''I learned not to ask people personal questions, or you get your head blown off,'' Mr. Wetmore said. Attorney David Baugh, who When asked about his family, ''he would make some allusion to Michigan or Minnesota,'' Mr. Bassler added. Clark moved in with Miller in November, 1985. If List simply admitted to his family and creditorsand the IRS thathe was in crisis, a solutionthat didnt involvehomicideand pseudonymscould have beenhammered out. He then shot both his wife and mother in their heads. In 1965, when List and his family moved to affluent Westfield, N.J., he seemed to be a model of suburban success and propriety. I dont wish death on the CIC. I think you mean religious extremists. Delores had mixed emotions about leaving, recalled Flanery, who said they had been neighbors and friends for five years. In a letter to Mrs. Flanery, her neighbor in Aurora, in December, Mrs. Clark wrote that the apartment ''is going to rob us of everything we own.''. I actually do try to keep this blog politically neutral we all need a break from partisanship. On the morning of June 1st 1989, housewife Delores Clark (nee Miller) of Midlothian, Virginia received a phone call that would blow her world to pieces. Thanks much, Jean so glad youre enjoying the blog! Mr. Joyner said Mr. Clark did not contend he had an advanced degree or a C.P.A. His sixteen years old daughter and 13 years old son returned from the school at noon. ''I don't say people can't change, and maybe God will forgive Bob. By the late 1950s, the family was in a good financial situation as John had been promoted to the position of a general supervisor in the company. Once, when Wetmore asked his friend if he had a family anywhere, it touched a nerve. It's a good question (subject to The Fugitive Belated Start For the Manhunt. ''I knew it was Bob,'' she said. A devout Christian. Death. The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Advance Local. However, the marriage was not very good. John confessed to committing the murders in February 1990. After raising her children she was One doesnt need to like the man himself Perhaps the strongest illustration of this is the mismatch between media mores and voters: the overwhelmingly liberal (anti-Trump) media being vastly unrepresentative of the people as expressed in the popular vote: Biden 51.3%; Trump 46.9%. On June 1, 1989 he was arrested at a Richmond accounting firm after a Denver neighbor viewed the Indeed, Trumps rescinding the moratorium on federal execution is an example (and some need informing that he didnt impose death a judge and jury did but merely removed the block to its enaction.). Id argue that religious zealotry was the EFFECT of a prior cause: mental illness. Still more ironic, if List had become President, he could have Xed even more people, and got paid to do it. Her son-in-law Randy Mitchell called the telephone number on the screen on her instructions and gave the operator the phone number and address of the Clarks in Virginia. He went on to wed again, join a new family and live in peace and anonymity for nearly two decades. Wetmore said Clark then lived in a ramshackle trailer park on the outskirts of Golden. The family attendedthe Redeemer Lutheran Church, where John taught Sunday school. . Even now a chill runs through James Moran, Westfields retired police chief, when he recalls the scene in the sparsely furnished, 18-room mansion List had bought for $50,000 in 1966, using money from an inheritance. They remember him as a quiet, kind, intensely private man who worked first as a cook, later as a bookkeeper, for small, obscure companies. '', See the article in its original context from. Eventually, he took a decently paying job with a paper company at Kalamazoo, Michigan, and settled there with his family. Over the years, the John List murders have been featured in films such as Judgment Day: The John List Story and The Stepfather. See All About BORN October 27, 1930 DIED January 21, 2017 JoJo Siwa View this post on Instagram List, including an old picture and a bust created by sculptor in Philadelphia, Frank A. Bender, that showed how Mr. List, Patricia List, place of death: Trenton, New Jersey, United States, education: University Of Michigan, Ann Arbor. In the 12 hours he spent in the house post murders, he probably relished seeing the deceiving, syphilitic bitch who ruined his life dead. It was my belief that if you kill yourself, you wont go to heaven, List says. ''He was an introvert galore, if there is such a thing,'' Mr. Oldson said. He had told her he had no children. In February 1988, the couple moved to Midlothian, Virginia, where List, still using the name Bob Clark, resumed work as an accountant. Although he sincerely believed in heaven and that his dead family would be saved, his own survival is proof of false consciousness. He took the name Robert Clark, eventually got an accounting job, and remarried. Then he drove to John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York, where he left his car as a false lead and took a bus into the city. In a three-sentence statement to the court, he said he was sorry for "the tragedy that happened in 1971." He later pursued a masters degree in accounting from the same university and as the Korean War had escalated in 1950, he was recalled by the Army and was commissioned as a second lieutenant, stationed at Fort Eustis in Virginia, where he met his wife Helen. Finally, Delores shook her head and said, Thats not my husband. I then dared her to show it to Bob and ask him, but I dont think she ever did. You can perhaps understand why, for him, the wife and mother were killed but the children? ''He said he'd been through that before and knew what I meant. John List passed away on March 21, 2008, after suffering from pneumonia. I remember that I was amazed at the amount of blood that flowed out of her, List says. She had a young daughter from her previous marriage. Flanery recalls asking Delores Clark then if she thought her husband might be John List. By all accounts his wife was a good mother and all the children were doing just fine and on a good trajectory. Join Facebook to connect with Delores Clark and others you may know. He later took a job as the vice president at a bank in New Jersey, where the family finally got settled. Trivia. Still, Mr. Roberto said, he ''kind of liked him'' and, for some reason, felt sorry for him. List was a member of the U.S. Army during the Second World War. That he appeared functional, maintaining a relationship and holding a job down, doesnt change this. Keep the politics out of it, dude. '', Mr. Clark, the friend added, showed no particular sensitivity about his past and tended to be even tempered. He also found and read a rambling, five-page confession List had written to his pastor in Westfield. In 1974, Mr. Clark's name appears for the first time in a Denver telephone directory. R. C. Miller is not in business there, and there is no evidence it ever existed. ''Bob talked about church things so often that he could get monotonous,'' Mr. Bassler said. He thought it improper in the eyes of God. Lack of faith. He usually chose large apartment complexes where it was easy to remain anonymous. Undiscovered jackpot? Listlowered the temperature in the house, cued up some organmusic on the intercom system, and told his kids teachers that the family had gone on a trip to North Carolina. Sometimes, he added, Mr. Clark became so impassioned that sweat broke out on his brow. (Although largely irrelevant to this blog, I regard the US media as overwhelmingly anti-Trump, simply unable to acknowledge that he achieved anything positive, which he certainly, objectively, did. But as listeners heard in episode 7, when his second wife, Delores Miller Clark, came to visit him in the Henrico County Jail after his arrest, List admitted who he Photographs of Mr. Once, when I asked him, he said he was from Michigan.. Jim Clark, 76, of Cedar Hill, passed from this life on Thursday February 23, 2023, at TriStar NorthCrest Medical Center. The case turned cold until18 years later, whenthen-newTV showAmericas Most Wantedcommissioned forensic artist Frank Bender to sculpt a bustthat aged List. Mr. Clark spent long days in his own small office, unadorned by decorations or memorabilia, but with classical music playing softly on a radio. Mr. Joyner said Mr. Clark was a hard worker who often arrived at his office, in a two-story brick building in a shopping mall across from a J. C. Penney store, before 8 o'clock and worked straight through till 5, taking lunch at his desk. It was I rode in that old car lots of times, going to baseball practice with John Jr., Robert Compton, now a Westfield police officer, recalled. Mrs. Clark also has relatives nearby, in Maryland. Its not a good read.full of his BS and tons of grammatical errors and misspellings. With Mr. Wetmore's help, Mr. Clark moved again, in 1977, to Wheatridge. In 1989, Fox network broadcasted a TV show titled Americas Most Wanted, where an episode featured the New Jersey mass murders of John by his family. The years at All Packaging appear to have been tranquil. Use of and/or registration on any portion of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement, Privacy Policy and Cookie Statement, and Your Privacy Choices and Rights (each updated 1/26/2023). John List would be 97 years old if he was alive today. Feb. 20, 2002 -- Thirty years ago, accountant John List methodically murdered his whole family his mother, his wife, and their three children. New revelations in the episode include what List said through tears to his shocked and heartsick second wife, who hoped it was all some mistake and her husband was really the man she thought she had married Robert Clark when she visited him in jail. This is a digitized version of an article from The Timess print archive, before the start of online publication in 1996. Born in an extremely strict Lutheran family, John was raised as a single child. In April, 1986, Clark was laid off. The general manager of the wholesaler, Jim Roberto, confirmed that Mr. Clark had worked for him from 1977 to 1979. '', In recent months the Clarks were again plagued by money troubles, stemming largely from the bank's foreclosure on their Colorado condominium. ''I spent a lot of my life on skid row and in cow camps,'' Mr. Wetmore, 71 years old, said in an interview this week. ''I was sad and scared for Delores,'' Mrs. Flanery said. Delores attended Washington Park High School. At a church singles party in 1977, Clark met Delores Miller, a 40-year-old divorcee. We've received your submission. certificate. A few months earlier, the couple had moved in together, staying in Miss Miller's two-bedroom apartment at the Somerset Village condominiums in nearby Montbello. Anyone can read what you share. After cashing in his mothers savings bonds and pocketing the money, heskipped town. Authorities said two of the tips--one from Richmond, Va., another from Denver--led them to a mild-mannered accountant in Midlothian, Va. Mrs. Flanery was among the millions of people watching. He became increasingly depressed. John List (murderer) (19252008), American mass murderer. Delores Miller Clark (m. 198589) John Emil List (September 17, 1925 March 21, 2008) was an American mass murderer [1] and long-time fugitive. Picture in Supermarket Tabloid. Bob didnt talk much about his past, Wetmore said. Marion Delores Clark Miller was born to Paul and Ada(Tuttle)Clark on September 25, 1937 in Moody County, South Dakota, where she was raised on several He said he found Mr. Clark ''a little strange.'' Few neighbors had been invited to the house. He believed that it was his failure as a man to be unable to provide for his family. ''I have been depressed over all this,'' Mrs. Clark wrote. He resembledthe sculpture. As of 2018, Peggy, Dolores, and Connie are still alive. Superior Court Judge William LE. On June 2, 1956 she was united in marriage to Ralph L. Miller at Gethsemane Lutheran Church. ''Bob's job grew, but he didn't,'' Mr. Bassler said. Ten days after a creepy, glass-eyed bust of John List was shown on Americas Most Wanted, Westfield residents had not heard of a single promising lead. The letter will be used as evidence if he goes to trial. The man who calls himself Robert P. Clark is charged with five counts of first-degree murder. He went on to wed again, join a new family and live in peace and anonymity for nearly two decades. ''His father was Germanic, so he had an interest in things Germanic,'' the friend said. Delores never told me about Bob, said Wanda Flanery, Millers neighbor in Denver. Lists five-pageletter, addressed to hispastor, explained everything, including the way he murdered his family. WebHe began living with a new identity in Virginia, where he was spotted by a local and got arrested. The two would have coffee and talk, though not about anything too personal. Human name disambiguation pages. He was a man who would never, ever stand out in a crowd, said Carole Burton, manager of the east Denver apartment complex where Clark lived from September, 1978, until November, 1985. WebDelores Hazel Miller, age 82, went to heaven, Tuesday, May 9, 2017. He lined the bodies up on the floor, put music on through the houses intercom system and wrote a confession to his pastor. He did not mention his wife, his mother, or his children. He later moved to California, and then Detroit, where he worked as an accountant in a local firm. Clark held several cooking jobs in the early 70s and moved frequently, Wetmore said. Soon after his high school graduation, he joined the United States Army during the Second World War, where he worked as a laboratory technician. The company makes folding boxes for supermarkets. List had bachelor's and master's in business administration from the University of Michigan and was a C.P.A. Its people who in every single act of malfeasance, twist religion to some self-serving end. WebDelores Hall - Biography. Was this numbers cruncher really ignorant that the Tiffany chandelier was worth close to $100K? While List wouldnt meet the legal threshold for madness, he was unquestionably deeply disturbed: mass murder as well as a later life of lies and deceit. Info about the house is hard to come by. And he yelled, 'Put that thing down before your eyeball falls out.' ''I've seen him angry, really angry, only one time,'' he said. Another great post and one of my all time favourite murder stories. John List met Helen Morris Taylor, a young widow of an American enlisted man who had died in the Korean War. ''He did everything by hand,'' the executive said. Mass Murderer, Overextended Homeowner But pointing out that someone has had multiple bankruptcies is a statement of fact, not an insult. Mr. Oldson said he did not remember Mr. Clark's having references. Of course, what List stated were his reasons/motives for the murders and what they really were (whether he was aware or not) could be different. Redefining eerie. She had married in her 30s, and John was her only child. He then called his childrens school to grant them leave to visit their grandmother in South Carolina. Maybe not. When the police entered the house, on December 7th, the bodies had begun to decompose. Education. A couple of sourcesclaim that the ornate housecontainedaskylight made ofLouis Comfort Tiffany stained glass valuable enough to bail List out of his financial problems. On Nov. 23, 1971, List snapped creeping up behind his wife, Helen, as she was reading at the kitchen table and shooting her in the head. Long-lost ship found at the bottom of Lake Huron, confirming story of tragic collision, TikTok to set default daily time limit of 60 minutes for minors. What on earth has your comment got to do with the price of fish? meticulously murdered his mother, wife and three kids. Spooky landmark. Obituary for Bro. This is little numerical difference even if reflecting a gulf in political difference. He took the name Robert Clark, eventually got an accounting job, and remarried. At the news conference in Richmond, Mrs. Clark acknowledged seeing the picture. I guess I was thinking, well Ive started, now Ive got to finish it.. A couple of years ago I bought a supermarket tabloid that contained an article on the List murder case, she said. God would deny heaven to a suicide, but not to a mass murderer? Flipping through his tenant file, she said: Ive never seen anything like this in all the years Ive been here. who writes: In 1895, he bought twenty-two acres of land a few miles northeast, and built a grand Victorian house atop a gentle knoll .. Wittke called his estate Breeze Knoll. He was a graduate of the University of Michigan. Shes not a strong person and I dont think she felt she could have faced the truth, so she just let it lie.. Delores Miller Clark lived a simple life in Denver before she met and married John List, who then went by the name Robert Peter Bob Clark. Sometimes we ought to be discomforted to rouse us from complacency. Executives at All Packaging said they had a reference on Mr. Clark from Roberto Distributing. After their divorce, several facts and allegations came up about Ivar Campbell. You may occasionally receive promotional content from the Los Angeles Times. Way roomy. Mr. Clark gave his age as 57. Work Mr. Clark switched to a restaurant in a Denver department store, and, Mr. Wetmore said, he mentioned taking a course at H & R Block and doing a little tax work to make extra money. List have appeared on Federal Bureau of Investigation ''wanted'' posters since then, along with a description of him as an accountant, ''a neat dresser'' and a man who ''may be armed and should be considered very dangerous.''. John and I were classmates and were on the same baseball team. Her illness left astronomical medical bills, he'd tell me. She never showed the photo to Mr. Clark. FF does the how they were caught: here we follow through on how they were punished, wherein the aforementioned politics/policys engaged. 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