So First Dallas Baptist is an acceptable mega church but the Village church isnt? A prominent elder at John MacArthur's Grace Community Church (GCC) has resigned, stating in email leaked to The Roys Report that his "conscience and convictions" were not aligned with other GCC elders. The church that is spending $130 million on redoing its downtown campus? These views raised controversy within American evangelicalism and were challenged in print by non-lordship dispensationalist theologians Charles Ryrie and Zane C. Hodges, who argued that MacArthur's ministry was teaching a form of works-based salvation. This is another attempt to pick a fight with another straw man. G White had stated that Matt Chandler was not a good example of teaching or living and then went on to pass on gossip about a particular discipline case in the Village Church. Pastor / Teacher. Some are good, some are bad. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated radio program Grace to You. "[34] Regarding eternal security, he states, "It should never be presented merely as a matter of being once saved, always savedwith no regard for what you believe or do. Check out what's clicking on Foxnews.com. It happens. As a southern Christian (in North Carolina), Im truly thankful you posted one of Alistair Beggs videos to show the contrast between Truth presented with integrity and intellegence, and the slick mass market Charlotte speed preaching thats become hip with mega church crowds. Here is Kate Shellnut: Last year, Hohn Cho concluded Grace Community Church had made a mistake. No-one can find out what Pastor Stephen is paid, although it is decided by a committee of out of town pastors/advisors (who are probably on the same arrangement). Surely there are members in the congregations of the mega churches who intend to be sincere, and big doesnt have to be bad. Cho resigned the next day. Its only your perception and I would deny it. But like John Flavel I regard as a pretty close second the threat of disunity in the body of Christ not least that caused by those who go around unjustly and wrongly accusing others of false teaching. In fact it was so bad most people assumed it was just mockers cutting and pasting to make it look ridiculous yet it turns out that this was Elevation Churches own video and it was liked by Furtick! 38, 31-32). As for your other points, Matt Chandlers church eventually acted only after a number of Christian magazines and websites had highlighted their initial inaction. Have mercy! Despite concern from church members, Grace Community Church has assured the public that MacArthur is recovering and doing better. MacArthur denied the charge, as attested on two tapes recorded in 1989 when he was asked to reason together with the IFCA man.[35], MacArthur advocates Young Earth creationism in his book The Battle For the Beginning (2001), and in his sermons. Reiterating his stance on 1 Timothy 2:12, he went on to state, "There is no case that can be made biblically for a woman preacher. Cho brought letters to the elders and MacArthur who ultimately told him he needed to "walk back" his findings if he wanted to remain an elder. John Fea | February 10, 2023 1 Comment. http://religionnews.com/2016/05/11/why-pastor-steven-furtick-skirts-scandalous-questions/. It is wonderful stuff Matt and Tim Keller are two mega church US pastors who I listen to every week! (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times via Getty Images), Fox News Flash top headlines for January 3. No pastor should be above reproach, there should be no untouchables in the church; even Peter was rebuked by Paul when it was necessary. This photo posted to Twitter by Phil Johnson shows a full sanctuary at Grace Church on Sunday, July 26, 2020. Why do you think that that was disgraceful etc but G Whites bracketing of Furtick with Chandler was not? He has to answer to God of where is heart is and how he gets or gives the money he has. There's some really helpful information in there. John MacArthur. Tim Keller as an anti-Christian preacher is nonsense.it is the kind of irrational ranting legalism that I was mentioning at the beginning.very very sad that you endorse it! Can I suggest an alternative standard? Matt Chandler is an excellent example of how the gospel should be preached I cant comment on his lifestyle because I dont know it do you? He is a ministry collaborator with TDJakes health and wealth and modalist ministry, he collaborates with Joel Osteens humanistic ministry and with Brian Hustons new wave prophecy ministry. G White this is the mega church you are setting up as an example in opposition to Matt Chandler? to this article here https://theweeflea.com/2020/04/22/return-to-elevation/). 4) Your last post just uses ad hom and tries to dodge justifying your original statement about Chandler by attacking me and what I have said, whilst giving not one concrete example. But if the theology and ecclesiology is off, then alarm bells start ringing. Im afraid I have had more than enough of this kind of depressing legalism and self-righteousness pride(and before you jump in yes I admit I can all too easily be the same).. At the risk of over-blogging (I dont want to be a bore), have you seen this just the introduction. We welcome another new contributor, Edward Benitez, as he biblically critiques a sermon given by Steven Furtick. Its always good to get correction! Its not the first time that youve responded aggressively when a pastor that you hold in such high regard is questioned. New Calvinism quenches that desire, and true dedication to a distinctive Christian life.. 4, 3-4). John MacArthur Responds to 2021 Julie Roys (Part One) - YouTube #pastorjohnmacarthur#johnmacarthur #gracecommunitychurch#julieroys This sermon clip is from Grace to You, it is on 1 Timothy. John Fullerton MacArthur Jr. (born June 19, 1939) is an American Protestant pastor and author known for his internationally syndicated Christian teaching radio and television program Grace to You. Simply not true. The biggest threat to the church comes not from fundamentalist atheists or those of another religion, it comes from within. So issuing a challenge to either support them or decry them is meaningless. And that is not only my perception if you look at the comments above. He spoke for an hour without notes and held his audience completely in the palm of his hand he is a brilliant orator using all the tricks of the trade. As for Southern Baptists liking Donald Trump, its almost as bad as you liking Scottish Nationalism. What am I gonna do? Its mainly a forlorn appeal but can we say to the mega churches please stop it! There is nothing more basic than these. (I always smile when you deploy the tu quoque argument and even, on this occasion, ego quoque He went on to say, "I understand that Im a fifth cousin, and so its quite a distance but nonetheless we are related. It was neither juicy nor gossip. It was interesting and revealing to hear about their work. The southern baptist convention of which he has been a part has distanced themselves from his ministry in the past year. 1) I did not come on to your blog and say that Matt Chandler was not a good example of how the gospel should be lived. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. David, you use your blog to write some really encouraging and courageous articles for which Im very grateful. When people are being led astray genuine believers must stand up challenge and expose. I live maybe two hours from the Village and have visited twice. It is the Bible watered down by a mixture of Waltonesque homespun wisdom, pop psychology, stand up comedy and an unhealthy doze of how to missiology. Do we really believe that the Holy Spirit is incapable of working, without us chiding things along? John MacArthur is pastor of Grace Community Church in Sun Valley, California. issued his own declaration against the county, John MacArthur Warns Christians to Stop Making 'Alliances With Satan' in Remarks on Religious Liberty, Falsely Accused: John MacArthur's Grace Community Church 'Cleared of COVID-19 Outbreak', but Battle Rages On, 'It's Tyranny': Pastor MacArthur Will Get His Day in Court, Fighting CA Shutdown of Churches, Historic Win: John MacArthur Claims Victory in Lawsuit Over Church Restrictions, After Asbury Shutters Revival Services, Outpouring Moved to Lexington Arena: See Full Video Here, 'I Prayed in the Name of Jesus, and He Answered': Heroes Rescue 17,000 While 'Saving Aziz' in Afghanistan. Name me one church that has handled everything well. I have not misrepresented what you said. I dont do stock answers. For all who oppose success in serving Jesus Christ!!! Market data provided by Factset. Hell is not something to be used as a curse word it is real. In October 2013, his church hosted a conference called "Strange Fire" to mark the launch of a book of the same name. This is what I mean by legalism in my original post. They are often more concerned about whether they like the music than they are about whether they are hearing the truth. To be sure he writes from a certain perspective, as you do, but he presented his case quite calmly using documented and verifiable evidence. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. But you came on to my blog and posted something which is typical of the new legalists and endorsed a book which attacks gospel preachers such as Keller, Piper and the Proc Trust. 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I was somewhat alarmed by the endorsement of Matt Chandler as a good example of how the gospel should be preached and lived.. Are you happy with its $130 million campus rebuilding campaign? The point you made about Matt Chandler was that he does not live as a Christian (how can you know that? I think about it this way would I rather sell a million copies of my books with little fruit, or sell a few hundred of each and yet have those few hundred profoundly affect and change the lives of many? From 1964 to 1966, MacArthur was hired by his father as associate pastor at the Harry MacArthur Memorial Bible Church (now Calvary Bible Church in Burbank, California), which his father Jack had planted and named after his own father. There are doubtless many things wrong with Chandler (hes a Baptist for a start!) Im sure with a church of such a size these issues are found amongst some, and appropriate discipline and loving correction are needed. Thanks for this. 1. It was not an accusation, nor an attack. You can either keep silent, go of to somewhere else who will accept your gossip, or repent.obviously I would prefer the latter! Where is the blessed self-forgetfulness? But, thank God, I have been able to study the bible for 50 years and, although I acknowledge that I have probably only scratched the surface of the riches of His grace, I do not recognise Furticks message as balanced and biblical. When you are ready argue about what is being said here, not what is not being said. This was sourced through interviews with ex-Grace Community Church Elder Hohn Cho. From 20052015, MacArthur made about $3.4 million in compensation from GTY and TMUS, for an average of about $320,000/year. I'm a bank robber."[41]. Its wrong to mock and you should try to win them over without mockery. Yes, some of it is biblical and Furtick is a good communicator, amusing, connected etc.but a great deal appears to pay only passing lip service to the Bible. (2Tim. David, you seem so eager to fire off your stock answers and insults that it sometimes appears that you havent properly read the comments first. Your replies to G White were disgraceful and totally unwarranted, particularly in light of the respectful way he/she raised a perfectly justifiable concern. MacArthur responded, "Go home." But we must not quote our own books in sermons as far as possible! Please dont feel sad that someone disagrees with you. The remarks immediately following that statement seem to suggest that you are and illustrate the way in which you denigrate those with whom you disagree. And it's thewe call it the Shepherd's Testament; it has a little shepherd's rod on the front. A point you also mentioned. 2. Do they not see the danger of this? But again, whilst it is not my style, I dont see why it cant be done well, reverently and to the glory of God. Whites equation of Chandler with Furtick being one such example, your comparison of Matt Chandler with Scott McKenna being another. [3] MacArthur has written or edited more than 150 books, most notably the MacArthur Study Bible, which has sold more than one million copies, receiving a Gold Medallion Book Award. PPS. "In a recent sermon given by Steven Furtick of Elevation Church around Christmas 2016, Furtick continues to demonstrate that John Macarthur is right in his assessment that Furtick is indeed 'unqualified to be a pastor by not . March 5, 2021 . Stephen Furtick is his own brand and it seems it is a brand that sells well and pays well. He teaches a completely restored Israel shall inherit physical ownership of the land of Canaan on the earth. Powered and implemented by FactSet Digital Solutions. We stray from scripture at out peril: http://www.whatisthegospel.org.uk. Your lack of apology (at very least regarding your amazon remarks) has only served to highlight the arrogance and childishness that you displayed in your replies. I might write a review later but the book is dreadful Mark Driscoll and Tim Keller, for example, are frequently careless and irreverent in the way they use Scripture. Really? I follow the goings-on of the mega church para church neocalvinist movement (call it what you will) in the USA and am frequently astounded by their antics. These John MacArthur reckless faith quotes will make your faith stronger. Has First Dallas never handled any controversy or discipline case wrong? Regards. Very pleased with the approval of an $800,000 settlement and total win for my clients, @johnmacarthur and @GraceComChurch, on behalf of @ThomasMoreSoc. Name calling really doesnt constitute argument does it? Elevation began as a Southern Baptist church in Charlotte, North Carolina in 2006. ck. In 2012, at the annual Shepherd's Conference, MacArthur was participating in a word association questionnaire when the moderator gave the name "Steven Furtick." Some might expect be to be critical of the entertainment Hillsong style worship and the whole professional stage go that goes along with it. Outwith a Southern US culture it makes no sense and Im not sure that for many of my Southern friends it makes any sense either. point taken). Join us on Sundays for a full day of teaching, preaching, music, and fellowship. Period. Your email address will not be published. As he walked across the stage July 26 to the large, wooden pulpit, the auditorium that seats 3,500 people was filled with non-masked, non-socially distanced conservative . This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Truth in love. [13] In 1985, MacArthur was made President of Los Angeles Baptist College, now The Master's University, a four-year Christian liberal-arts college. It is not really a battle between science and the Bible. 4) Wrong on all counts. John MacArthur is the pastor-teacher of Grace Community Church, as well as an author, conference speaker, chancellor of The Master's University and Seminary, and featured teacher with the Grace to You media ministry. I hope this is mature and open enough for you! I think youve just answered your own question; how very sad. [52], Grace Community Church, Sun Valley, California, Independent Fundamental Churches of America, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, "Theology and Ministry: An Interview with John MacArthur", "1998 Gold Medallion Book Awards Winners", "Voice of Calvary Legacy - The Legacy - Page 3", "When should a Christian fight for his country? MacArthur, 83, was preaching Sunday service earlier this week when he reportedly said he felt ill. And I wasnt using any of the debating society tricks of tu quoque and ad hominem in anything that I said. 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